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Winged People Anatomy: Bone Structure. by Blue-Hearts Winged People Anatomy: Bone Structure. by Blue-Hearts
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This is just kinda how I think it would work (shhh people who want to say "But its not possibleeeee" I'm drinking Rum-Redbull and its not meant to be a biology report, its fantasy/sci-fi). Where the wings are on backs always annoys me and how it would work also annoys me too because skeletons are weird. I like drawing bones and wings. But I get irritated when it makes no sense.
I have been doing a lot of studying, research and talking to actual doctors and physiotherapists who understand anatomy and asking for their opinions. Also done one for the muscles and wings themselves which i'll have up soon.

Summary:
- Modified scapulae means anchorage for wing bones, no second set lower down needed. Wings not directly on top of the shoulders, just below.
- Extended sternum becomes a keel for more muscle attachments.
- Rib-barbs keep ribs together and stop over expansion
- Wing bones used are those of a Bald Eagle, different birds will have different bone proportions to this. Also this is an average male skeleton, female bones would be almost identical with the exceptions of things that make them female (pelvic bones, shoulder breadth, skull shape etc)
- This is all theoretical opinion. Skeletal structures are different to muscle and flesh.

Winged People Anatomy: Muscles by Blue-Hearts Winged People Anatomy: Wing Design by Blue-Hearts How to Draw Wings by Blue-Hearts 

FYI this is not specifically for Maximum Ride, lets leave the 2% stuff to one side, its scientifically stupid and badly explained.
Bones, Anatomy Ref from www.biodigitalhuman.com/ , medical books, doctors, various sources of photos and ornithological books and diagrams.
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blueinkblot Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2015
This is awesome! Just a question - would the avian's whole body have the lightened bones? Just the shoulders? Just the wings?
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Blue-Hearts Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Pretty much all of them, some of the bones might be thinner rather than hollow but it'll make them denser and stronger (most likely those where any red marrow is). 
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c6h12o6-cube Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
This tutorial was amazingly helpful, thanks for sharing your ideas!
I was trying to create an avian based race for a project I'm working on and I kept obsessing over the placement of the wings, so this helped a lot. Also, would you mind me using your idea for the socket placement on the shoulder blades in it? I'll give you full credit for it.
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Blue-Hearts Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2015  Student Digital Artist
I don't mind at all, it's really just a prompt for people to think and spawn ideas of their own c:
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c6h12o6-cube Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
Awesome, thanks!
And might I propose the idea of tail feathers placed on the back of the legs (maybe just below the nee) to reduce the drag of them during flight? Or would that not work?
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Blue-Hearts Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2015  Student Digital Artist
A few people go for the back of the legs as a placement for tail feathers (personally i'd see that as being a little difficult depending on how large the feathers are and their responsiveness, especially if you're going basic human legs instead bird legs, everyone does it a little differently). You'd need small muscles to move them and wiggle them about so they're adjusted in flight no matter where they're placed, but if you want to put them there go ahead and try it out and see if it works. 
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c6h12o6-cube Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
I figured that they should be attached to muscles that could control them during flight and be able to retract them when they're not in use. What bugs me is size, but I figure that when I iron everything out.
Anyway, thanks again!
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JeantineHobbit Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Thanks for the tutorial! I think the reason wings are associated with angels is because only God Himself could really make something like that work! :D
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Tacotitan Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014
Quite interesting.  I am amazed about how detailed it is!
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maryfersstiger Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014  Student Digital Artist
oh cool that nice! I like that! :D You are so great!
i love wings too :3
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Turtlecollector Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
^^  This is an impossibly amazing and detailed anatomy sheet.  Not only helpful for drawing, but writing purposes too(which is more of what I needed this for).  I've been trying to figure out the anatomy of wings for a certain set type of characters, and all I could come up with is "wing hilts" being where the wings connect to the body;  I'd thought about them being on the shoulder blade, but I'd never thought before about there being a cavity in the shoulder blade for the wing to move/rotate in(which makes much more sense).  For some reason I'd been imagining the wings coming out from the spine, and possibly having a sort of double-spinal segment between the shoulder blades, though I still couldn't quite imagine movement with the wings coming from there.  ^^'  This makes a lot more sense, and was/is impossibly helpful.  I'll be sure to look at the other wing anatomy references, but if what I'd wondered isn't there--  Do you have any thoughts/ideas on weight limits as far as the winged human can carry?  I can't imagine long distances, probably just gliding downward across and to the ground.
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Blue-Hearts Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Weight limits I think would really vary between the size of the wings, the weight of the person (including into it all physique too, since more muscular people would be heavier but stronger) but over all I'd say no more than about 10-15kg in carrying weight. They'd still be able to fly whilst carrying stuff but it'd be more gliding rather than constant flapping since gliding expends less energy, though the use of thermals would help a lot and keep the altitude. 
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MasterPlanner Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Professional Artisan Crafter
This was extremely helpful for fiction and I'm looking forward to the tutorials on muscles and feathers! :manhug:
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I-Have-Amazing-Wings Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
This is really good and accurate ^^
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Hamstar27 Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014
This is really damn awesome! Haha!

question though: what are your thoughts on what keeps the body extended during flight? Like, what keeps the lower torso and legs up?
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Blue-Hearts Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Their own muscles and the airflow beneath (depending on how fast they fly) but they'd have to use their legs anyway, if they don't have tail-feathers, to control the finer turning moments in the air. But to get off the ground anyway they're gonna need the body and control of a gymnast, so a lot of muscle and strength in all their limbs.
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Hamstar27 Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014
Mkay - cool!
looking forward to the muscle sheets! 
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WolfoftheBlackFlames Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
This is one amazing reference!
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IShot-U Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
break me
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FlameHeadSavvy Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I have a character who has completely useless wings (as they are too small to lift her up in the first place) and this reference makes me realize (despite her wings being more bat-like) they look very... off. Maybe her wings are deformed, too. :dummy:
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Blue-Hearts Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I'm doing a wing drawing tutorial soon to help with wing-to-body size proportions as well as how to show how i draw them, if you feel like the wings on your characters are a little off you can always take a look (or go 'Nah, they can be like hummingbirds and be small but beat real fast' because hey they're your characters c: )
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FlameHeadSavvy Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Bless you, you beautiful person :iconletmehugyouplz:

I meant the shape was off, but she's not the only winged character, but thank you anyways.
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Starath Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2014
Thank you for this! :meow:
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Nebquerna Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's really cool!
Thank you a lot!
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Aleydream Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
THIS IS AMAZING THANK YOU
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Kina-Rain Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This is awesome! Super helpful and well thought out! Thank you for posting it :D
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mernolan Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2013  Professional Filmographer
this is very well thought out! good job!
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Aerophoinix Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2013   General Artist
iīve seen a lot of tutorials for winged humans and i gota give it to you your version is very well done. I especially like the idea with the ribcage becoming aerodynamic during flapping mode itīs quite ingenious actually. As you said itīs sci-fi and will always remain so (unless somebody actually manages to create winged humans) anyhow i was wondering if you had thought about a tail since thatīs what stabilized flight and steers. And my second question - one again just harmless curiosity- where would the main muscle for pulling the wing down be located. Iīm more familiar with the concept of the wings sitting on the shoulders rather than on the back but itīs intriguing as well :dance:
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Blue-Hearts Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I've talked about the tail feather thing with my friend when discussing it and we both thing for more stabilised flight they would be necessary though they don't have to be massive; they would improve balance in the air and also the precision of manoeuvrability especially if you look at Kites and Swifts and how they use their tail feathers to twist and turn in the air. Even so some birds use their body weight and legs to steer if they've lost or not grown their feathers yet. 

As for the main muscles pulling the wings down they would be located around the chest -  mainly the upper arm, pectoral and external oblique muscles. Chances are they're gonna have very muscular pecs c:
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Aerophoinix Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2013   General Artist
i guess youīre right a tail for balance wouldnīt be necessary since the legs could swing and help steer, then again they might also throw them off balance. Personally i think tails help immensely in keeping the hip up instead of dangling down during flight.

ahh yes no winged human without a nice sturdy torso :la:
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MaximWolf Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2013  Student General Artist
(third time I've commented) I was viewing your mathematics to use for a reference but 14ft 5 inches is pretty wide for some one who's only 5'4''. Unless there like 2% Albatross?  Constructive suggesting: I think that formula would vary on the species of bird.  Max is 2% Hawk and has a wingspan of 12-13ft according to the books. and she's 5'8''.
If some one was say 5'11'' and 2% Humming bird their wingspan would be significantly smaller. (they could still fly but not as high).
None of us are really great at math but, it just seems that the formula you came up with would greatly vary from mutant to mutant. ^^
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Blue-Hearts Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2013  Student Digital Artist
That's if you're going by Maximum Ride's percentages and height, but I'm not doing that with the sum there because the MR Wing/Height ratio is too small and the books are pretty inconsistent with height and wingspan anyway. Besides its not really a good thing to keep using the 2% bird thing as a rule because of wing structure, cardiovascular system being reworked and metabolism and whatnot add up to far more than 2% of genetic material. I just think the percentage thing is wrong and not a good thing to go by.
But even so it would vary anyway with wing type because of flight feather length and bone lengths. 
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MaximWolf Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2013  Student General Artist
I was only using 2% as an example, not so much a rule. Sorry if I gave that impression.  MR was only apparently (somewhat) consistent with the heights of the 3 oldest kids and their wing spans (few times), cuz Max is weird doesn't have enough detail, I agree. :p

Well, that's fine. Just seeing where you stand on your creative ability. ^^ 
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Blue-Hearts Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Don't worry it wasn't an attack against you for using it as an example. The 2% thing just bugs me a little as well as the lack of detail on the appearances of everyone. I just wish it was a little clearer what bird they all were rather than just giving one little nudge towards what they possibly are.

Mathematics is a royal pain in the arse, especially if you try and do wing loading for flight. Its more fun to leave the details of the physics and biology to the side when drawing, but nicer to write it in.
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MaximWolf Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2013  Student General Artist
Totally, I'm all about biology and anatomy. I'm frickin awful at math. But I'm also a detail Nazi and I try really hard to understand to engineering behind people's creatures, which is why I was kinda annoyed with Max Ride on the wing thing non specifics. ^^
It's best to make one's own.
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MaximWolf Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2013  Student General Artist
I love the mathematics you put into calculating the wingspan with the height, you should do the same for weight. This does seem possible, however I still think the shoulders would still be in the way when flapping. You would have to rotate your shoulders while flying to get a fluid motion.
I'm not discrediting you or your work, I think it's awesome and I'm fascinated with Science and anatomy! It's just that this still make more sense to me and emphasizes the mutant freak factor>>fav.me/d696fl4
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I've noticed in the tutorial that if they rise their arms (like superman XD) while they're flaping, the shoulders won't be in the way of the wings (my English is really awful, sorry if you don't understand)
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MaximWolf Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2014  Student General Artist
True, one could do that, but that would put a lot of unnecessary strain on the shoulders themselves. PLus one could also shrug, but it would simply look strange in flight. Also I'm not so sure if a superman pose would be anymore efficient for lungs receiving oxygen. Thanks for you input though! You've cleared a lot of things up! ^^

And don't worry too much about your English. I could understand you just fine! ^^ 
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superpaulina10 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2014
It's true, but it's the best way to skip all the shoulders and the arms thing (I've seen your tutorials, and the wings would found the arms in their way)
I think their lungs are pretty much elastic than ours, and the airsacs are (at least in females) in the chest (because there is no reason for avian-women to have boobs without breastfeeding)
Most of big birds don't need to flap a lot though, just is specific moments, so it's an alternative (I think)
You're welcome!!!
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MaximWolf Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2014  Student General Artist
Not necessarily. If you look at the flight patterns of birds (especially in hawks) most of the time their wings don't extend all the way down in a typical down stroke.  In a serious speed chase, would the wings extend to make a complete down stroke. Contact with the arms wouldn't be a big deal in my design unlike in other designs where one has the issue of the arms' girdle (the shoulders) in the way. 

If you research the anatomy and physiology of non domesticated avians, they have very little body fat. Thus a 2% or more successfully recombined Human, specifically a female, would normally have very little body fat. This includes little fat in the breasts, butt, arms, abdomen, and thighs.   Since avians do not produce milk it would make sense that a female Human avian would be affected by that particular change in her DNA. Therefore, making her Oviporous. She would not have the chemical that allows 100% human females to produce milk, but rather get it from another source.  See design here>>fav.me/d6jtqjg
In other words large breasts would not necessarily help hide a large rib cage. In fact it would be less aerodynamic, from the designing aspect.  Air sacs would be packed more around the upper parts digestive tract, near the stomach/liver. The air sacs would still be in connection with the lungs despite the normal function of the diaphragm in a regular human. 

As for the larger lungs, a larger rib cage would suffice. I'm not too concerned with the tissues of the respiratory system in these particular mutants for now. But what I meant in the previous response was "Would a superman pose during flight allow for better breathing?" I'm not certain about that. Yet. 

This is just general wing anatomy and physiology for a mutant with 2% Hawk or Eagle DNA. Those who have species of a longer wing design such as gulls, Albatrosses, Osprey, etc. would have a slightly different design. All in all, there many factors a designer has to take in, such as location, genetics, and species/ethnicity, so we're only covering the general stuff. A good way to get more indepth on different designs would be by "dissecting" a character. For example, the anatomy of a German male mixed with 2% Golden Eagle DNA is going to have a very different build from say an English male with 2% Albatross DNA. Sorry for typing out a whole bunch. There's just a lot to cover. ^^;

If you have anymore questions or curiosities, by all means. And if you'd like to go with a different design theory, that is completely up to you and I won't stop you. ^^
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superpaulina10 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2014
That's what I wan to say!!! Like the wings aren't all the way down most of the time, the shoulders and the arms aren't a big deal until a specif case. (I have the opportunity to see a lot of bird's fly near of my house, and it's amazing). I've seen your desings, and they are so logical, but humans are not meant to fly. What a pity, no? That's why we always have a trouble :(

Well, most of the girl's breast's shape is for the mammary glands, so if they haven't them, they would look like a manboob (I guess) which is composed by fat. So I thougt that if the airsacs are there, it would be pretty more logical to me (and when they are flying, the airsacs would swell and it would look pretty much a man's worked chest (the same think with male avians-humans)

Maybe it would be different if it was with other type of bird (as an owl? or a swallow? I like swallows). I don't know. Don't worry, I love all biology and everything related with birds. I would study ornithology if I don't prefer cardiology or genetic ingeneer.

Yeah, your theories would help me if the character where I'm working on is a mutant with 2% of a bird DNA. But unfortuanetly they are winged humans, not related with birds (they are magic creatures, so they have a fantasy component which really irritate me). So I don't know how I can explain their anatomy and some people ask me when I don't know anything
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MaximWolf Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2014  Student General Artist
Ja, it's sad humans aren't meant to fly, that's why it's called fantasy and science fiction. We artists and scientific minds just trying to make it seems as logical as possible. XD 

I've seen a photo of a American female athlete who's bra size could be labeled as an A minus. In my characters designs I give my female Human-avain characters a A sized bra. XD  What you described made me think of balloons. XD I think your idea would work better with a someone who was recombined with this bird>>www.google.com/search?q=strang…

Yes. I understand what you mean. I'm very passionate about birds and the entire ability of flight. It's amazing! ^^ It amazes me even more when animals that logically appear to not have that flight ability can actually fly. Like Bumble bees for example. BTW: Those are interesting fields. I hope you reach them. ^^   

Well, the best thing to do when people ask you questions about stuff like that is to understand as much as possible about both anatomies, and then present what you think makes sense as best you can. Even creating a new organ or organ system helps too. If your beings can fly by means of magic, you can break down the magic to make it seem like a Force or law in Physics. It's similar to what FMA (Full Metal Alchemist, in case you're not sure of what I'm referring to) did with their alchemy. The other users on here or people who are local to you can accept it or decline. *shrugs* That's how look at things. ^^ I'm still contemplating Felis-avian anatomy as well a few other mutants, but I'm currently obsessed with the Human-avian. ^^;  
I hope that helped, somewhat. ^^
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superpaulina10 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2014
Sooooo sad. But have bird wings would be very annoying. I prefer dragonfly wings

We don't have to go so far away. My cousin (a boy) would passas a model if he dressed as a girl (and he doesn't have boobs)
Trust me, B-cup is pretty small (experience). And for the boobs I was thinking in Tifa from Final Fantasy VII (look some officials arts from the original game and the original movie, her boobs aren't the same size)

Yeah, and butterfly has very large wings for their body and they don't fly long distances

Human-avians are awesome. I think that people would like them more because they can do a thing that humans can't do: fly. 
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Blue-Hearts Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I guess we all have different thoughts on how they work c: I just think the wings need to be on the shoulders because they have the muscles there to support them. (I'm not sure how I'd find the upper limit for weight though, still trying to figure that out)

Also on the mutanty factor; why not also add talons, tail feathers or leg scales too just to increase the non-humanism. (Tail feathers would be quite useful for flying I think, makes it easier to turn in the air and break when landing) 
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Fires-storm Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2013  Student General Artist
Handy, thanks!
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silverphoenix07 Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
6 limbs, lol!
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Blue-Hearts Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Like a bug >8D hehehe
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silverphoenix07 Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ya! haha
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Kinexuru Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you for making this! This was very helpful in many ways! ; v ; ♥
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